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Καλημέρα! Η χειρότερη εποχή για διάβασμα όλη μέρα :/

καλημέρες. ένα υπέροχο πρωινό στην Ακράτα.

Σε ζηλεύωωω!

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Αλλάζουμε; Έχω "ψιλοβαρεθεί" εδώ :D

Αχ ναι! Έχω χρόνια να πάω εκεί και μου έχει λείψει! Ελπίζω να καταφέρω να πάω φέτος!

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μάγκες τα νέα τρέχουν, δεν βλέπω να κινείται τίποτα στην κεντρική

NVIDIA To License Its GPU Tech - Slashdot

με 2 ωραία σχόλια από κάτω

The ONLY company on this planet with an interest in very high-end desktop class GPU technology for their own use is Intel. No-one else has the need (PowerVR fills the gap for most companies that license GPU designs) or the ability to build such a complex design into their own SoC.

Anyone else with an interest in Nvidia GPU capabilities would opt to buy discrete chips from Nvidia, or one of Nvidia's existing ARM SoC parts.

AMD is currently devastating Nvidia in the high end gaming market. Every one of the 3 new consoles uses AMD/ATI tech for the graphics. EA (the massive games developer) has announced their own games engines will be optimised ONLY on AMD CPU and GPUs (on Xbone, PS4 and PC). Nvidia is falling out of the game.

The x86 space is moving to APUs only. Chips that combine the CPU cluster with the GPU system. Intel's integrated GPU is pure garbage. However, Intel spends more on the R+D for its crap GPU than Nvidia and AMD combined. It would be insanely cheaper for Intel to simply license Nvidia's current and future designs. Doing so would give Intel parts that compete with AMD for the first time ever. Of course, it still wouldn't fix the problem that AMD tech is in the only hardware AAA games developers care about.

Next year AMD completes its project to take desktop x86 parts to full HSA and Huma (as seen in the PS4). Next year Intel begins the process to use this tech (and will be two years behind AMD at best). Both companies are moving to PC motherboards that solder memory and CPU on the board itself. Both are moving to a 256-bit memory interface, although again AMD will have a significant lead here.

Intel wants to copy AMD's GDDR5 memory interface (again, as seen in the PS4) but that requires a lot of tech Intel does not have, and cannot develop in-house (god only knows, they've tried). Nvidia also has massive expertise with GDDR5 memory interfaces, and the on-chip systems to exploit the incredible bandwidth this memory offers.

Everyone should know Intel wanted to buy Nvidia, but would not accept Nvidia's demand to have their people run the combined company. The top of Intel is BRAINDEAD, composed of the useless morons who claimed credit for the 'core' CPU design, when all core was in reality was a return to Pentium 3, after Netburst proved to be a horrible dead-end. This political power grab is responsible for all Intel's current problems, including this biggest disaster in semiconductor history- Larrabee. Intel's FinFET project has crashed twice (Ivybridge was much worse than Sandybridge, despite the shrink, and Haswell is worse again). Intel has no new desktop chips for 2014 as a consequence.

Now we can see it is likely Intel is readying Nvidia based parts for 2015 at the earliest. Intel has used licensed GPU tech before, notably the PowerVR architecture. However, Intel's utter inability to write or support drivers meant the PowerVR based chips wee a disaster for Intel. Intel's biggest problem with its current GPU design is NOT that it is a Larrabee scale failure, but that Intel is actually making headway. So why is this an issue?

Well companies like S3 also made successful headway with their own designs, but this didn't matter because they were way behind the competition at the time. It is NEVER a case of being better than you were before, but a question of being good enough to go up against the market leaders. Intel knows its progress means that internally its GPU team is being patted on the back and given more support, and yet this is a road to nowhere. Intel needs to bite the bullet, give up on its failed GPU projects, and buy in the best designs the market has to offer. Nvidia is this.

Unlike PowerVR, which is largely a take it or leave it design (which is why Intel got nowhere with PowerVR), Nvidia comes with software experts (for the Windows drivers) and chip making experts, to help integrate the Nvidia design with Intel's own CPU cores.

Intel isn't going to buy or license nVidia stuff. They already have a license to use all their patents through a cross license deal that excluded a large chunk of Intel patents and IP. Intel is 100% focused on power consumption at this point and nVidia tech would do nothing but hurt them on this front. Haswell includes a GPU that's almost as good at the nVidia 650 and uses less power than Icy Bridge. It's also cheaper for the OEM/ODM's and provides better total power use.

It's trivially easy for Intel to just keep advancing the GPU with each processor generation. As people have been saying for years nVidia's biggest problem is that as Intel keeps raising the low end with integrated processors that don't suck they erode significant revenue from nVidia. The reason prices for top end nVidia parts keep going up is because they are continuing to lose margin on the middle end and have lost the low end. Better than half the computers sold no longer even include a discrete GPU. As Intel continues it's slow advance they will continue to eat more and more of the discrete market place. Considering the newest consoles are going to be only marginally better than the current consoles we're probably looking at another 7 years of gaming stagnation which in the long run will damage nVidia more as fewer games require more resources than integrated GPUs. I seriously doubt nVidia can go much higher than the current $1100 Titan and expect to sell anything at all. I expect over the next two years for nVidia to see consecutive quarterly declines in revenue. They've already eroded margin and they can't push price much higher.

They bet their lunch on HPC, and didn't even come close to their projections on sales. Then they bet the farm on Tegra, they sold none of Tegra1, had just short of no sales on Tegra2, did ok but only with tablets for Tegra3 and have announced not a single win for Tegra4. Project Denver was supposed to be the long term break with Intel that would provide the company the opportunity to move forward as a total service SOC company. Denver is supposed to be a custom designed 64bit ARM processor with integrated nVidia GPU. It was projected for the end of 2012. After missing 2012 they claimed end of 2013, this announcement makes be personally believe project denver has been canceled. Things haven't looked good for nVidia ever since Intel integrated GPU's and blocked them from the chipset market. They won't be selling to Intel because Intel doesn't want them. The other SOC vendors appear to be satisfied with PowerVR products (which focus on power use) except for qualacom which has the old AMD mobile cores to work with. I can't help but believe that this is as other have said, an attempt to go total IP and try to litigate a profit. This is probably the begining of a long slow slide into oblivion. nVidia's CEO has already sold most of his holdings (except for unexecuted options, also a very bad sign).

αυτά.

τι καλημέρες μου από την ελβετία/cern.

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δεν μας ενδιαφερουν οι μεγαλες.μια hero ζηταμε!!καποια μαγαζια παντως στο σκρουτζ λενε οτι εχουν διαθεσιμη την συγκεκριμενη ή θα την εχουν σε 1-2 βδομαδες.τι παιζει μ αυτους;απλα θελουν να βγαλουν λεφτα και να φερουν την μητρικη τον σεπτεμβρη ή παιζει και οντως να εχουν διαθεσιμοτητα;

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δεν μας ενδιαφερουν οι μεγαλες.μια hero ζηταμε!!καποια μαγαζια παντως στο σκρουτζ λενε οτι εχουν διαθεσιμη την συγκεκριμενη ή θα την εχουν σε 1-2 βδομαδες.τι παιζει μ αυτους;απλα θελουν να βγαλουν λεφτα και να φερουν την μητρικη τον σεπτεμβρη ή παιζει και οντως να εχουν διαθεσιμοτητα;

Βρε τι μια...τοσος κοσμάκης είμαστε :P εχω εξηγήσει και παλιότερα πως λειτουργεί η φάση στην Ελλαδα...μαγαζία στο σκρουτζ που θα την εχουν στο site πάντα παιζουν, το θεμα ειναι οτι απο προμηθευτη Ελλαδας δεν θα ειναι οπότε το πιο πιθανό είναι να την παραγγέλνουν απο κάποιο μαγαζί Ευρώπης που την έχει διαθέσιμη...το πρόβλημα σε τέτοιες φάσεις είναι οτι σε περίπτωση rma μετράς απο 1.5 μήνα και πάνω, εγγυημένα και εξακριβωμένα πράγματα :hehe:

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Βρε τι μια...τοσος κοσμάκης είμαστε :P εχω εξηγήσει και παλιότερα πως λειτουργεί η φάση στην Ελλαδα...μαγαζία στο σκρουτζ που θα την εχουν στο site πάντα παιζουν, το θεμα ειναι οτι απο προμηθευτη Ελλαδας δεν θα ειναι οπότε το πιο πιθανό είναι να την παραγγέλνουν απο κάποιο μαγαζί Ευρώπης που την έχει διαθέσιμη...το πρόβλημα σε τέτοιες φάσεις είναι οτι σε περίπτωση rma μετράς απο 1.5 μήνα και πάνω, εγγυημένα και εξακριβωμένα πράγματα :hehe:

κατευθιαν στην asus δεν μπορω να κανω εγω ρμα;επισης ποια μαγαζια του εξωτερικου στελνουν ελλαδα;προκειται να γλυτωσω χρονο απο πιθανο ρμα αν την παρω κατευθιαν απο εξω;εχω cpu και δεν εχω μητρικη.ειναι τραγικο.δεν μπορω να περιμενω αλλο :P

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Ούτε κάν το αγγλικό άμαζον δέν την έχει στόκ αυτή την στιγμή την Hero. Γερμανία μεριά και κυριώς μαγαζιά όπως το mindfactory, την έχουν με ένα ωραίο 200άρι μαζί με μεταφορικά.

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Οχι κατευθείαν, απο την στιγμή που ειναι απο μαγαζί αγορασμένη, δεν γίνεται πλέον!

Ναι προτιμότερο ειναι να την πάρεις απ' εξω αλλα ισχύει προς το παρόν αυτο που λεει ο Bill@kOS7...μην τρελένεσαι ολοι στην ίδια φάση είμαστε έχουμε cpu και περιμένουμε mobo ;)

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καλα δεν με πειραζει και τοσο να δωσω λιγα παραπανω λεφτα και να την εχω πιο νωρς αλλα ειναι μπλεξιμο και το εξωτερικο..με βλεπω να καταληγω με καμια gb z87 oc.α ρε αζους τι μας κανεις...

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